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Post by wulfgar22 on Oct 16, 2009 13:59:05 GMT -5
Thanks, Jason. Nothing too serious...just changing circumstances and a ruthless desire to cull my rather massive collection.
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Post by wulfgar22 on Oct 8, 2009 4:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by wulfgar22 on Jul 9, 2009 1:38:38 GMT -5
Now if the buggers would only learn the art of self-promotion and public relations. Yeah! I feel I'm doing some of that job for them... ...but I understand that Stuart Marshall passed an almost finished OSRIC (not sure why he couldn't finish it himself) over to Matt Finch to put the finishing touches to and release on Lulu. So with one author unable to work on it and the other busy with Swords & Wizardry perhaps we can understand why OSRIC is an abandoned child...
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Post by wulfgar22 on Jul 8, 2009 3:13:25 GMT -5
All in all...very odd!
I'm glad I'm not the only one surprised by the lack of interest, though, Greyharp...I've felt like a lone voice shouting 'This is brilliant! Check it out!" on the various old school forums...only to be met by a pretty thunderous silence.
Just fyi...in case you didn't know...you can download the most up-to-date version from Lulu (although it's a bit of a slow download...on my decrepit computer, anyway).
I also heard that you can (or will be able to) pick up OSRIC from amazon.com and that the international shipping should be cheaper....hopefully, including to Oz. Luckily for me, rates to Europe are now very reasonable...I paid £6 (US$9).
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Post by wulfgar22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:02:32 GMT -5
Yes. Arrived last week. The normal b&w hardback...it looks great.
I'm actually surprised at the lack of interest/enthusiasm on the various old school forums. Even though the PHB, DMG and MM are still readily available on eBay (if you don't have them already)...the OSRIC hardcover is pretty reasonable price-wise. And to have all three-in-one with a vastly superior layout, tables and indices..well, I'm really impressed. And it's great as a resource for old school gaming in general.
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Post by wulfgar22 on Jul 7, 2009 7:38:56 GMT -5
But here's the thing....since Revised and Expanded came out, the game HAS been a polished, finished product, just with errata posted (like every game company does). That's why we keep insisting that you don't need to buy a new version of the game if you already have it. This is what's frustrating me. I keep telling everyone you don't need to buy the new version, and yet people keep complaining that I'm requiring them to buy a new version. Personally, I wasn't complaining that you 'required' me to buy the new version...in fact, I'm trying to do my best not to be too critical....as I have said I'm a fan. But I am describing my customer experience...the frustration that I have felt over the tinkering, updating and revising of the various versions...whether it is from the original version to the revised version to the combining of the revised version with parts of MM. These are all significant changes in the end product whether the rules have changed or not. The fact is that I want a finished product...or I would like the choice of which finished product I want if there are various versions....which is why I suspect your complaints probably centre around the main books...original to revised to deluxe...rather than the three-book digest-sized version (which is quite clearly just a choice of look/layout....not much different to Labyrinth Lords two cover versions). Choice is good. The thing is...I actually like the changes you've made but it's this that actually makes me wish I hadn't bothered with the older versions because the newer version looks better/is combined with MM/has less errata. But I never had the choice! You say that other games companies update their books regularly... but I must say although I'm quite a big spender on RPGs I don't know any other games company that has changed/updated versions and layout so often in the first year for their core book (or supplements, for that matter)...from POD publishers like Goblinoid Games and Mythmere Games to the big boys. I take your point that you have only revised the rules once...but you have revised the book(s) (and quite significantly with the deluxe version) and this means that those who bought the previous books might regret having done so (or at least not having the choice) if they prefer the newer version. If we were talking a couple of years between versions then no-one would have a leg to stand on but we are talking just a few months. But to say there isn't a stink when a new version comes out...well, just take a look on RPGnet at the rumoured 3rd edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. I guess the fact that you're getting complaints means you really are an RPG Publisher now! Anyways...as the deluxe is the 'final' version then it's all water under the bridge now...anybody coming to S&S from this point on will just have choices of layout/design.
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Post by wulfgar22 on Jul 6, 2009 15:54:23 GMT -5
Ah! I just read this thread after posting a repy to your most recent blog entry..about this very thing. I'll post it here too as it's relevant:
"First of all, I'd like to say I'm a fan and supporter. I love what you've done...but in the interests of customer feedback I must say that the pace at which you come out with new versions is...kind of frustrating.
My experience so far as a customer has been...
....I bought the very first original full-size hardback on the day you made it available on Lulu. But then, a day or two later, you updated it with some errata that you had missed.
Then you came out with the new digest-sized revised hardback a few months later along with Monstrous Mayhem. Wow...great! Really like the new size...and revised as well so that means improved. Great. Shame I blew £20 quid on that old version but hey! So I was first in line...buying both the new revised core book and MM on the day you released them. But then, a few days later, you updated Monstrous Mayhem with some errata (the page number references were wrong). Hmm.
But now, a few months later, a new version has come out combining bits of MM with the core book and with a nice new cover. Wow. Wish I'd known...much better having it all combined in one...and the cover is cool.
Okay. So lesson learnt. Wait a few days to make sure everything is error free...maybe a bit longer so I can get the final final version. But I can't help but feel that my eagerness as a fan has been rewarded with slightly inferior copies.
Oh well...it's not that big a deal, I guess. I mean...like many others...I'm a bit of a collector (or completist). I also went out and got the 3 little softbacks version you did...and the box set. But...it's the pace at which you have updated and changed things. I know from your point of view you want to tinker and improve...to make sure that you have the best version out there. But as a customer I like to feel like I've got the most up-to-date version...and when the versions are updated so quickly you can't help but feel that you have somehow ended up with a slightly inferior copy.
I don't mean to be too critical...as I said I'm a fan and supporter...but I can certainly understand if some people feel a little frustrated."
As I said above...I think it is the pace with which you are amending and revising. It makes those who have bought versions prior to the amendments feel they have inferior copies despite having paid the same money. I also think this would be the case even were it WotC or White Wolf...imagine if the PHB were updated with a new cover and some rule changes only six months after its release and then again six months later with another new cover and incorporating some of the DMG and MM. Even those rabid 4e fanboys would get frustrated...
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Post by wulfgar22 on May 2, 2009 14:13:01 GMT -5
;D Cool!
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Post by wulfgar22 on May 1, 2009 2:28:35 GMT -5
I'm assuming shipping to the UK will be the same as Germany?
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Post by wulfgar22 on Apr 6, 2009 13:38:26 GMT -5
I'm all for it. ;D
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Post by wulfgar22 on Sept 22, 2008 7:48:08 GMT -5
Got my nice shiny hardback a couple of days ago. It's looking pretty sweet...(even though I wish I had waited a couple of weeks so I could have got the revised edition).
As to playing...I haven't had a chance yet as we're mid-game but will certainly let you know when I do.
I always like to see optional supplements...nothing that changes the existing rules but optional add-ons including classes. And monsters are always cool!
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Post by wulfgar22 on Sept 22, 2008 7:42:53 GMT -5
Hey....I know what you mean. I check this forum regularly but not much is happening. I think the problem is there are quite a few retro-clone/old school sites where the old school crowd already gather...in particular I'm thinking Dragonsfoot (which caters to all old school gamers) and Goblinoid Games (mainly Labyrinth Lord but everything gets discussed). I also get the feeling that not many people know about S&S. There was a thread on Dragonsfoot where an old school fan mentioned that depsite being on various websites he had missed S&S completely. That thread is here: www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=31730 Perhaps you need to blow your own trumpet a bit more on sites like DF and K&K!
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Post by wulfgar22 on Sept 10, 2008 1:09:53 GMT -5
If there's enough (which I hope there is not) I'll also offer at the base cost (no profit to me) a saddle-stitched print version. But gods willing there won't be enough errata to warrant that. Ye Gods! Let's hope not!!
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Post by wulfgar22 on Sept 9, 2008 2:30:09 GMT -5
I plan to upload to Lulu a (free) errata pdf when all the errata has been collected. Great news! I wish more companies would do this.
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Post by wulfgar22 on Sept 8, 2008 7:27:47 GMT -5
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